It’s so sad to see (and, frankly, to be a casualty of myself). Having worked for and learned from Larry Lucchino in San Diego and Boston, I have a really good idea of what brilliant leadership looks like. It elevates an organization. You wish every organization had experienced, visionary and inspirational leadership.
Mar 29, 2023·edited Mar 29, 2023Liked by Glenn Geffner
Thanks for your honesty on this. What they have done to the front office is worst than what they have done on the field. You sighted a number of quality individuals that are no longer with the club (along with many others). Shameful
Thanks so much, Steve. And thank you for your subscription and your support of this. I pointed out things they've done well, and I pointed out areas where they have clearly dropped the ball. I'll continue to do both moving forward.
Great article. Thank you for pointing out Claude, Adam and Jeff. ALL of their hard work and dedication shows.
The front office is broken, hopefully they can get a leader in to support the remaining staff. In my opinion that is missing in the current leadership.
They missed terribly on Soler and Garcia. Soler was hurt obviously and hopefully will bounce back, but Garcia seems to be almost at lost cause territory. I wonder how long they stick with him because of his salary to the determent of actually winning games. But with a team as cheap as the Marlins, to miss on your two biggest FA signings in a while is the kiss of death imo.
You’re exactly right. Some teams can miss on a player (or 2 or more) and overcome it by spending more. The Marlins can’t. Obviously last year was a huge disappointment for both guys. I’m curious to see what the new and physically improved Garcia can do in 2023. I’m willing to give him some time. After all, is there a definitively better OF option in the short term? As for Soler, I think if he’s healthy he’ll be what he typically has been. A guy who hits home runs, hits for a low average and strikes out a ton. A guy like that can help when you’re desperate for muscle. But when you count on him to be a middle-of-the-order force in your lineup--and when he’s one of your highest-paid players--you’re asking for trouble.
With the way Garcia performed last year, and his spring so far I'm almost at the point of saying give DLC or Sanchez a chance to see if they can be a consistent everyday player. But I would imagine it's not the best look for a GM for a guy you gave 12 million a year to ride the bench. Wish they would have just ponied up for Marte, would have been a much better option for not dramatically more money. But therein lies the problem I guess.
Could not agree with you more about Marte. He would have stayed. They could have gotten it done in July of 2021 for significantly less than what the Mets paid him. He was willing to sign here. He’s such a good player. A quiet leader. Would have solidified an OF spot and probably the 2-hole in the lineup. Such a good player. Can win you games at the plate, on the bases, with his glove and with his arm. No drama. Just a winning-type player.
Who is at fault for something like that? Is it Ng for not being able to seal the deal, or Sherman for not being willing to get to a number that would have kept him here?
Can’t tell you for sure in this instance. With the Marlins, certainly the owner would have to sign off on a contract like that. But the question is did Kim endorse and lobby for the deal. Did she say yes and Sherman said no, or did she make the judgment she didn’t want to go beyond a certain point and it never got to the owner? I don’t know the answer to that.
What was reported in July of 2021 was that they offered 3 years and $30 million, and he wanted 4 and $48 million. What was reported that winter when he became a free agent was that the Marlins were willing to go to 4 and $48 million, but the Mets gave him 4 and $78 million. I don’t know that 4 and 48 was definitely on the table, but that’s what was reported.
Bottom line is there was a deal to be made in July of 2021 before he was traded at the deadline and before he got to free agency. The Marlins had no competition for his services in July. When a player gets to free agency, all bets are off, and there’s a pretty good chance one of the other 29 clubs is going to out-bid the Marlins.
If you look at the Marlins’ recent history of free agent signings, there’s been very little competition for most of the guys they’ve signed. Who was in the market for Garcia and Soler last winter? Soler didn’t have a job weeks into spring training, and most would say they overpaid to get Garcia to sign early so they had it done before the lockout. Who were they competing against to sign Segura this winter.
How many instances can you think of in recent years when 4 or 5 teams were in the mix, and a player chose the Marlins? That’s just the sad reality.
That was actually part of one of my mailbag questions in the chat, why the Marlins are never truly in the hunt for free agents. Can't tell you how excited I am for your new blog!
Excellent Post. We'll see what these Marlins bring us in 2023. You know that at the time I was skeptical, and I gave arguments about it, 6 years later I'm still skeptical.
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It’s so sad to see (and, frankly, to be a casualty of myself). Having worked for and learned from Larry Lucchino in San Diego and Boston, I have a really good idea of what brilliant leadership looks like. It elevates an organization. You wish every organization had experienced, visionary and inspirational leadership.
Thanks for your honesty on this. What they have done to the front office is worst than what they have done on the field. You sighted a number of quality individuals that are no longer with the club (along with many others). Shameful
Thanks so much, Steve. And thank you for your subscription and your support of this. I pointed out things they've done well, and I pointed out areas where they have clearly dropped the ball. I'll continue to do both moving forward.
Glen,
Great article. Thank you for pointing out Claude, Adam and Jeff. ALL of their hard work and dedication shows.
The front office is broken, hopefully they can get a leader in to support the remaining staff. In my opinion that is missing in the current leadership.
They missed terribly on Soler and Garcia. Soler was hurt obviously and hopefully will bounce back, but Garcia seems to be almost at lost cause territory. I wonder how long they stick with him because of his salary to the determent of actually winning games. But with a team as cheap as the Marlins, to miss on your two biggest FA signings in a while is the kiss of death imo.
You’re exactly right. Some teams can miss on a player (or 2 or more) and overcome it by spending more. The Marlins can’t. Obviously last year was a huge disappointment for both guys. I’m curious to see what the new and physically improved Garcia can do in 2023. I’m willing to give him some time. After all, is there a definitively better OF option in the short term? As for Soler, I think if he’s healthy he’ll be what he typically has been. A guy who hits home runs, hits for a low average and strikes out a ton. A guy like that can help when you’re desperate for muscle. But when you count on him to be a middle-of-the-order force in your lineup--and when he’s one of your highest-paid players--you’re asking for trouble.
With the way Garcia performed last year, and his spring so far I'm almost at the point of saying give DLC or Sanchez a chance to see if they can be a consistent everyday player. But I would imagine it's not the best look for a GM for a guy you gave 12 million a year to ride the bench. Wish they would have just ponied up for Marte, would have been a much better option for not dramatically more money. But therein lies the problem I guess.
Could not agree with you more about Marte. He would have stayed. They could have gotten it done in July of 2021 for significantly less than what the Mets paid him. He was willing to sign here. He’s such a good player. A quiet leader. Would have solidified an OF spot and probably the 2-hole in the lineup. Such a good player. Can win you games at the plate, on the bases, with his glove and with his arm. No drama. Just a winning-type player.
Who is at fault for something like that? Is it Ng for not being able to seal the deal, or Sherman for not being willing to get to a number that would have kept him here?
Can’t tell you for sure in this instance. With the Marlins, certainly the owner would have to sign off on a contract like that. But the question is did Kim endorse and lobby for the deal. Did she say yes and Sherman said no, or did she make the judgment she didn’t want to go beyond a certain point and it never got to the owner? I don’t know the answer to that.
What was reported in July of 2021 was that they offered 3 years and $30 million, and he wanted 4 and $48 million. What was reported that winter when he became a free agent was that the Marlins were willing to go to 4 and $48 million, but the Mets gave him 4 and $78 million. I don’t know that 4 and 48 was definitely on the table, but that’s what was reported.
Bottom line is there was a deal to be made in July of 2021 before he was traded at the deadline and before he got to free agency. The Marlins had no competition for his services in July. When a player gets to free agency, all bets are off, and there’s a pretty good chance one of the other 29 clubs is going to out-bid the Marlins.
If you look at the Marlins’ recent history of free agent signings, there’s been very little competition for most of the guys they’ve signed. Who was in the market for Garcia and Soler last winter? Soler didn’t have a job weeks into spring training, and most would say they overpaid to get Garcia to sign early so they had it done before the lockout. Who were they competing against to sign Segura this winter.
How many instances can you think of in recent years when 4 or 5 teams were in the mix, and a player chose the Marlins? That’s just the sad reality.
That was actually part of one of my mailbag questions in the chat, why the Marlins are never truly in the hunt for free agents. Can't tell you how excited I am for your new blog!
Great to be "listening" to you once again!
Wishing you success!
Excellent Post. We'll see what these Marlins bring us in 2023. You know that at the time I was skeptical, and I gave arguments about it, 6 years later I'm still skeptical.
It’s one thing to have a plan. It’s another to execute it well. The good news is, this story is not yet complete. Let’s see what 2023 holds.